Autism, ADHD, AuDHD

Easily distracted

RSD 

RSD can look like

- people pleaser. “I’ll do it all for you”

- low self esteem “I’m terrible at this, I can’t do anything right”

- avoiding new experiences “if I do it, I’ll embarrass myself”

- perfectionism “it has to be perfect or I’ll disappoint everyone”

- negative self talk “I suck at this, I’m bad at everything”

- receiving no response as negative “they haven’t answered me, what did I do wrong, they must hate me”

- feelings of inferiority “why is everyone else so much better at this than me”

- emotional outburst. “Hysterical crying, angry outbursts”

the most challenging thing for people with RSD can be the Perceived Rejectiin.  Things that their nervous system reads as rejection.  

NT = Neurotypical, ND = Neurodiverse 

NT to ND: I’m confused, thought you said you have time management 

ND to NT: I do, that’s why I have 5 alarms set for each meeting so I arrive early.  Don’t you do the same?

“Control issues” for Autism

what looks like “being difficult” or “controlling” is often a Survival Mechanism for the autistic brain.  In a world that feels chaotic, loud and unpredictable, “control” is the only tool we have to lower our baseline anxiety and prevent a total system crash

for an autistic person, unpredictability feels like a threat to safety.  When we insist on a specific routine or “the right way” to do things, we are not trying to run your life, we are trying to stabilise ours

eg the “right way” can be

- specific sequence for doing dishes or laundry

- a specific sequence for hanging clothing or storing clean laundry

”Our Space”. When someone moves into our space, it can feel like a violation.  For autistic people, our personal space is a “sensory sanctuary” where everything is predictable and provides an area of “safety”

Impacts of AuDHD 

- getting overwhelmed by things way too fast

- everything feels too loud

- emotional dysregulation leading to snapping at others

- silence after verbal outbursts

- instant guilt following verbal outbursts

- replaying the event over and over in one’s mind

- telling oneself that need to do better

All this due to the brain becoming overwhelmed

Lot of people with ADHD struggle with

- overthinking and mental paralysis

- hyperfocus

- emotional sensitivity and rejection sensitivity 

- time blindness

- mental restlessness (even without physical hyperactivity

- trouble starting tasks (including important tasks)

- forgetfulness and brain fog

- impulsive talking and oversharing

Don't know if these will attach in order. This is a section on ASD and Dissocitation, from the book "Unmasking autism" by Devon Price

Some reasons autism may not be diagnosed in females until they are adults

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Some reasons autism may not be diagnosed in females until they are adults

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I worked in early childhood education between 2003 and 2009. And the warning signs they looked for included obsession with trains and mathematical concepts. And certain behaviours which mostly show up in certain demographics

It's under diagnosed in low socio economic groups, people of colour etc. Pretty much anyone other than white collar family white boys

Hi @Flutterbug9 thank you for creating this thread ❤️

even though I wasn’t tagged, so I assume it was because you forgot about me - is that right? 😊👀😅

Sorry @Blackcloud for not tagging

wasnt done intentionally.

No worries @Flutterbug9 my friend ❤️ 

I hope you’re well today 😊

I’m in a lot of physical pain today @Blackcloud 

majority of my joints far from happy

Lot of rain plus drop in temperatures last couple days are bad combination for my OA.

heat packs helping a little bit

next step, small electric blanket

End of next month before next infusion of pain relief meds

Hoping today is kind to you 💜

oh i'm sorry to hear that you're in physical pain at the moment @Flutterbug9 😞

i hope that the small electric blanket you plan to use next can at least help you with the pain. that sucks that the heat packs haven't helped very much. i hope that as time passes that you're no longer in pain ❤️

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Easily distracted

 

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@Flutterbug9 this reminds me of this scene from Malcolm in the Middle 😂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W4NFcamRhM

sensitivies

@Jynx @Blackcloud @DogMan79 @i8myego @MissGremlin @Cuddlebear @AlwaysMyself @Chasingsunsets @MatchaToad @Bunniekins @AuntGlow @Rizzo2 @Bluesky67 and everyone else

@Flutterbug9  How are you? Thank you for the information and beautiful messaging you’ve been posting here. 

Hi @Flutterbug9, I am very new here and looking to connect with like minded people.

Hey @Bluesky67, welcome to the forums 😊

It’s really good to have you here

Looking forward to seeing you around the community 🤍

Love it @Flutterbug9 😍

I have a BUNCH of memes and images I can share - some funny, some insightful, some helpful - let me know if you want me to post them here (it may crowd up the space ahaha) 😉

Love your thread @Flutterbug9 🫶

I have a comical one to share, for a bit of a laugh ☺️, lucky I have spares out the front 😂🤭 @Jynx 

@Nala2022 @Cuddlebear @Bluesky67 @Shaz51 @AlwaysMyself @Blackcloud + everyone 🫶

Sounds good @Jynx 

more the better

as the saying goes “sharing is caring”. 🙂

What a wonderful thread @Flutterbug9  😍😊. I love the info and memes you (and others) have shared.

@Bluesky67 @Jynx @Chasingsunsets @Cuddlebear @Blackcloud @DogMan79 😊 Thank you all. 

@Chasingsunsets the meme about the Locked Out with Keys Inside (because lets be real, I read all the other memes too but my brain can only remember the immediate past one 😅😳😓) -- I have memories of doing this many times as a child (pre-medication), including one very memorable time when I had fortunately accidently left my window unlocked and open and so I could borrow a ladder from my neighbours (they were retired, thus home) and climb in through my bedroom window (ouch - I had a cluttered desk in front of the window with my eclectic hoard of sentimental items) because I had forgotten my keys and left them somewhere in the house when going to school. 😅 

I feel that is kind of a good AuDHD mix of ADHD-forgetful (x2), ADHD novelty-collecting, and Autistic sentimental-I-can't-get-rid-of-my-items-that-I-have-collected-for-novelty. 😅 

I may not be able to keep up with the posts, but that's OK! I will enjoy any of the ones I can read even if I'm a week or two behind at times. 😍 I like to laugh at how relatable they are. I'm pretty sure the video @Jynx posted is "normal life" lol. I did a similar thing on Sunday with packing my bags, washing clothes, folding laundry, linen cupboard reorganisation lol. 3 hours later I hadn't finished packing my bags -- but the washing was clean and the linen cupboard was organised so that was still a win 😅.

@AlwaysMyself @Blackcloud 

video @Jynx  shared is 100% spot on for me (on physically good days)

pic of the budgies is of one my one tshirts,

same as these 2

why do people with ADHD get so defensive and take things so personally when people say things to them?

People with ADHD/AuDHD are known to suffer from RSD.  Their brain is constantly alert and read even the smallest thing that might sound negative as critism.  Perceived criticism tends to lead to fears of being rejected.  To protect themselves from the pain of rejection, there is possibility these people become defensive.

Thank you so much for this thread @Flutterbug9 !

I can relate to everything everyone is posting.

I'm seeking to learning more all the time.

As a typical ADHD-er, I am in the middle of all these books:

1) ADHD 2.0

2) Living with Schizophrenia

3) So, You're Autistic

4) Let Them Theory

I can relate to so much in each of these books. So much to learn and digest!

I’m recently self assessed with Autism @tyme,  Possibly also ADHD.

 
being a huge learning curve for me.

lots of these resonate with me.

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why do people with ADHD get so defensive and take things so personally when people say things to them?

People with ADHD/AuDHD are known to suffer from RSD.  Their brain is constantly alert and read even the smallest thing that might sound negative as critism.  Perceived criticism tends to lead to fears of being rejected.  To protect themselves from the pain of rejection, there is possibility these people become defensive.

 

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@Flutterbug9 I really love that you're using colour for emphasis now!! Can I offer a small suggestion? You may ignore it if you so wish haha, but whenever I see this blue my brain automatically assumes it's a hyperlink, and I keep hovering my mouse over it to see what you're linking to 🤣

Hmmm... thinking what might work better, let's test.

Purple may have the same effect in making me think it is a link, just one I've already visited 😋

Red is often associated with anger, but could still work. 

Pink is softer, but could be rough for high-contrast screens - similar to teal in that sense (but teal makes my eyes go funny even moreso than pink, lol).

Green oh my, it is also very bright... 

Orange goes alright but might be too close to red and seem harsh... 

Dark green perhaps isn't enough contrast... 

I don't mind lavender, but like yellow it's a little hard to see.

Oh my stars what a conundrum! 

Perhaps blue is the best choice after all? 🤔😅

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Also as promised! Memes! 

Tagging a few peeps 😋

@Flutterbug9 @tyme @Chasingsunsets @AlwaysMyself @Cuddlebear @Bluesky67 @DogMan79 @i8myego @Shaz51 @creative_writer @Blackcloud @MissGremlin @Captain24 @Bow please feel free to tag others, I know I've forgotten people 🙃

Also apologies if some of these are double ups/I've posted before 😅

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@Flutterbug9 wrote:

why do people with ADHD get so defensive and take things so personally when people say things to them?

People with ADHD/AuDHD are known to suffer from RSD.  Their brain is constantly alert and read even the smallest thing that might sound negative as critism.  Perceived criticism tends to lead to fears of being rejected.  To protect themselves from the pain of rejection, there is possibility these people become defensive.

 

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@Flutterbug9 I really love that you're using colour for emphasis now!! Can I offer a small suggestion? You may ignore it if you so wish haha, but whenever I see this blue my brain automatically assumes it's a hyperlink, and I keep hovering my mouse over it to see what you're linking to 🤣

Hmmm... thinking what might work better, let's test.

Purple may have the same effect in making me think it is a link, just one I've already visited 😋

Red is often associated with anger, but could still work. 

Pink is softer, but could be rough for high-contrast screens - similar to teal in that sense (but teal makes my eyes go funny even moreso than pink, lol).

Green oh my, it is also very bright... 

Orange goes alright but might be too close to red and seem harsh... 

Dark green perhaps isn't enough contrast... 

I don't mind lavender, but like yellow it's a little hard to see.

Oh my stars what a conundrum! 

Perhaps blue is the best choice after all? 🤔😅

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Good lord, Jynx

What did I ever do to you to deserve this sensory overload?

Mine's ADHD, but recently, work colleagues have really been questioning ASD for me because of how I work. 

I've never worked in such a close team so I've never had people laugh at me for the way I respond or not-respond...

Whether it's ASD, ADHD or whatever, I'm content with life and I like myself for who I am - that's important. Because for a LONG time, I hated who I was and I didn't feel I had an identity. @Flutterbug9 

@tyme  This  is the link for the interactive self assessment autism online test I did.  One that my psychologist said can be a useful tool.

So easy, the way I like things to be.  Answer each question , click “score my answers” and get immediate outcome.

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@tyme  This  is the link for the interactive self assessment autism online test I did.  One that my psychologist said can be a useful tool.

 

So easy, the way I like things to be.  Answer each question , click “score my answers” and get immediate outcome.

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This is the test which the hospital outpatients had me do (RAADS-R)

@DogMan79 I found there are lots of ‘self assessment’ tests online that, for different reasons, didn’t provide me with what I was looking for.

i found one that was for parent/teacher to complete for a young child.  Questions helped bring back some memories.

Ill have a look at the one you mentioned at some stage soon. 🙂

@tyme @Jynxso I did that Autism quiz that was in someone’s post.

https://embrace-autism.com/raads-r/#test 

I got a total score of 157.  
25 years ago I was diagnosed with ADHD.  
I don’t know how accurate an online assessment can be, but considering I scored 157 I Do you think that it is worth while getting a second diagnosis?

Haha classic @AlwaysMyself love you story, lucky for your window being open 😂, glad we can all have a laugh about our locked out stories ☺️. Definitely not as funny at the time 😂😂. I still lock myself out today 😂😂

Hooray for your clean cupboard, so productive 🤩🤩

Love your memes @Flutterbug9 and @Jynx I love Coby Watts he always does such relatable ones and some ones that really make me laugh out loud haha 🫶

Hi @Glisten   I’m not looking into formal diagnosis, at least not at this stage.  Far too expensive for me.  I’m happy with outcome of 2 different self assessments I’ve done online and so is my psychologist.  My psychologist already having offered to write a letter to my new psychiatrist as support for me.

I scored 150 on the RAADS-R by Embrace.

I scored 37 on Autism spectrum quotient 

How do you feel about doing both?

@Flutterbug9  I am totally unfazed about doing both. If an official diagnosis gives me resources and assistance to make my life easier, then I’m keen to progress.

@Flutterbug9  I scored 30/50.

I probably would have scored higher, but context is everything for me. Circumstances, conditions and context.

I have spent my whole life identifying and analysing systems.

So what do I do now? Ask my GP for a referral or do I ask my ADHD psychiatrist?

From info I’ve read and been verbally given @Glisten 

- some business that do the diagnosis don’t need a referral with person full payment out of pocket.

- some business, with a GP referral, offer Medicare rebate.

some psychiatrists do diagnosis for both Autism plus ADHD.  Talking to your psychiatrist could be a good option either that or your GP.  Possibly a personal choice

@Glisten can definitely open some doors to extra support, e.g. NDIS is probably the biggest. Like @Flutterbug9 said, it is very expensive. There's no medication for it, so for some people it's not worth the expense if they're not seeking further formal supports that require official diagnosis. It can be a source of validation and insight, but self-diagnosis is often accepted within the community as valid too. 

Guess it depends on what you want out of it 😉

@DogMan79  Sorry to hear the post with text in lots of different colours caused sensory issues for you.

I tried all the different colours available days prior to that, felt there was no need to share with everyone what .i had trialled and was aware that one shade of blue was only option available to be used.

@Jynx   I would have preferred to have had different option to have mentioned these but I don’t.

Ive be left feeling confused due to few things.  Trying to explain how things have left me feeling (not what is right or wrong) in hope of moving forward

1) the entire discussion about large amount of words being in bold and the way my autistic brain reads that, would it have been more appropriate to have emailed me instead of posting onto the forums?

2) due to feeling I had to provide proof to support the impact of large amount of holding had of me, I’m trying to forget amount the entire matter so I can move forward and stay on the forums.  I don’t understand the timing of recent comment about use of colour within posts

3) when I’ve wanted to add a heading to something or put emphasis on word/s, I’ve been using blue for quite a few days.  It’s nothing new and I was the first person to start using blue for that purpose.  I don’t understand wording in

@Jynx wrote

I fully understand your comment about the blue being very similar/same to other things.  Prior to choosing to use that blue days ago, I tried all the other colours and found none were suitable.  Due to different sensivities that people can be impacted by, colour being one, it is a shame the colour options available are so limited.

@Flutterbug9 sorry. My comment on colours was mostly tongue in cheek. No serious distress. It's just more comfortable if NOT those colours. But no drama if it is

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@Flutterbug9  I scored 30/50.

I probably would have scored higher, but context is everything for me. Circumstances, conditions and context.

I have spent my whole life identifying and analysing systems.

So what do I do now? Ask my GP for a referral or do I ask my ADHD psychiatrist?

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I don't have a formal diagnosis. Just multiple professionals saying probably

Apparently it's best not to google the test (ADOS) but it's okay to know that it's mostly designed for oung cis-het white boys. And anything other than that can be like squeezing a square peg in a round hole. Lots of toys, building blocks to appeal to young boys. The changes they make to adult it are minimal

@Flutterbug9 's AQ test

Chances are that i might score lower on a different day. I'd prefer if they had either a N/A or "No opinion" option for some of those

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@tyme  This  is the link for the interactive self assessment autism online test I did.  One that my psychologist said can be a useful tool.

 

So easy, the way I like things to be.  Answer each question , click “score my answers” and get immediate outcome.

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I got this result:

Your score was 39 out of a possible 50.

Scores in the 33-50 range indicate significant Autistic traits (Autism).

@Flutterbug9 

@DogMan79  I’m quite happy with the way things have been for years ie blue text for username, links with everything else in standard, non bolded black.  This entire colour thing started from someone on the forums preferring to bold each and every word (regardless how many) in entire sentences to indicate the importance of all the words.

during 30+ yrs working I was taught that holding or using capitals, apart  from one or two words, is deemed the words are being yelled.

@Flutterbug9 you are unequivocally correct 100%
People who write in Caps Lock in Chats Posts or Text Messages are shouting.

CAPITAL LETTERS are appropriate for technical data, acronyms and emphasis.

Bold text is better used sparingly.

I have been using blue for limited words on here for emphasis for last week or 2 @Glisten 

downside is it’s the same colour that usernames and hyperlinks appear in.  Only blue colour works/is suitable of colour options available 

Attempting to get the thread back on track

What is Anger Rumination in ASD? 

Tips for when talking with adult with Autism (ASD) 

Bottom-up Thinking 

link provides information what bottom-up thinking it is, plus its strength and challenges

Emotional dysregulation 

@DogMan79 @Glisten @tyme @Jynx @Chasingsunsets @i8myego @MissGremlin @Blackcloud @Cuddlebear @AlwaysMyself @MatchaToad @Bunniekins @Rizzo2 @AuntGlow @Bluesky67 

@Flutterbug9  Yes, what about emotional deregulation? 

https://www.autismawareness.com.au/navigating-autism/understanding-challenging-behaviours-in-autistic-adults

@Glisten  If you click on the words it will open the respective page

Aww shucks. Thank you @Flutterbug9  . . . .  An hour later. . . That took me down an ADHD Rabbit hole 🕳️ 

I ended with reading about parasites, viruses, bacteria and mould that affect the human brain 🧠 

Re: emotional dysregulation link

@Flutterbug9 @Glisten 

Really good link 😊. 

I'll add to it (from my own personal experience) a few extra notes on emotional (dys)regulation. For me, laughter. Yep, if I'm feeling uncomfortable or nervous or needing to verbalise something upsetting to me -- I will most often "laugh" or smile whilst saying it. 

And people misunderstand this so often :face_with_rolling_eyes:. I mean, yes i use humour as a coping mechanism (laugh or i will cry; find the silver lining, etc) but the physical inability to *not* laugh/smile when discussing something painful... turns out that can also be my autistic attempt to regulate my emotion! 

People misunderstand it and think i must not be distressed because i'm able to "laugh". Or they think i am lying or exaggerating (attention seeking, potentially) because my external-expression does not match what i am verbally telling them i am thinking/feeling.

https://neurolaunch.com/inappropriate-laughter-autism/

https://neurolaunch.com/autism-laughing-fits/

But since I've become aware of what my brain/laugh is doing, i can now verbalise it to people when needed to explain to them that i am not *real laughing* i am *dysregulated autistic laughing* and i cant easily control it unless i stop talking about the topic.

PS - i think a funny but clear sign of this in my childhood... my sister use to hit me (not terribly - just as young siblings do sometimes!) and I would *laugh*. So she would get annoyed that i was laughing from it and then hit me more to try to make me stop laughing -- it make me laugh more!!

As we got older she realised what was happening was not deliberate on my part and then it became more of a fun game for her to make me laugh until i couldnt breathe by mildly hitting me 😅. Not in an abusive way i will be clear; this became a playful thing once i got to 10 years old. 🤭. Yes i am a laughing punchbag?!

@AlwaysMyself  oh my stars, you and your sister - hilarious LOL Reminds me so much of my family and extended family lol

@Flutterbug9 I agree with @AlwaysMyself, you posted a good link.

Has anyone on this thread tried CBT and had success?

@Glisten  I’ve read that CBT is not a good option for people with autism.  @Blackcloud has said similar

I did bits and pieces of Schema Therapy last year.  Think I’d like to do it again fully with my current psychologist with whom I have a good rapport

@Flutterbug9 @Glisten yes, that is true about CBT. I, as well as many other neurodivergent people I know of have found CBT to be really unhelpful and unsuitable for people like us. Plus, neurodivergence is a brain type and many psychologists and counsellors that don't use a neuroaffirming approach and don't have lived experience of being ND themselves have proven to have a lack of understanding of this. Our brains aren't fitted for a one-size-fits-all approach when it comes to seeking help/support, so its much better to have a counsellor and psychologist that has a lived experience of being ND and that uses an approach that is neuroaffirming.

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Has anyone on this thread tried CBT and had success?

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CBT was a disaster

TF-CBT as a sort of a foundation to focus on other therapies is okay. Just as a glue to tie it all together

I've had more success with IFS and more recently Somatic Experiencing

My hyperfocus feeds strongly into dissociation

@DogMan79 @Blackcloud   Have either of you done Somatic therapy with animal eg horses?

@Flutterbug9 no I have not

Autism and Social Anxiety

https://soniclearning.com.au/social-anxiety-vs-autism/ 

@Flutterbug9 😳 oh my stars! I tick all those boxes.

Not patterns so much, but Systems. I learn systems and identify where they breakdown.

Once I learn the system, I never forget it.

Which reminds me, I need to email my psychiatrist.

@Flutterbug9 thank you for posting this.

@Flutterbug9 @AlwaysMyselfHello to both of you. 

Thank you for the links and explanations. I also get this dis regulation. For me it’s very uncomfortable to sit with and comes with panic attacks and anxiety. I think it stems from complex PTSD. I’ve never been assessed for autism or ADHD. 

Dysregulation is not uncommon for those of us with CPTSD.  It’s to do with impact of things on our nervous system 

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Dysregulation is not uncommon for those of us with CPTSD.  It’s to do with impact of things on our nervous system 

 

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And CPTSD applies to most neurdivergent kidlets from the 20th century. The school yard was cruel to autists etc

I think kids are perhaps more accepting now

Executive Dysfunction isn’t ’being Lazy’

https://youtu.be/jXqMElP3jrY?si=culmDYUuOSjHCjW5 

@DogMan79 @Cuddlebear @Glisten @Blackcloud @AlwaysMyself @tyme @Jynx @MissGremlin @AuntGlow 

The executive dysfunction part is so true & I say this as someone that has this exact thing @Flutterbug9 its something I experience/have on a regular basis ☺️😌

@Flutterbug9 re: your post from the 18th - sometimes it's easier to post on forums so others might learn too, but if you prefer to communicate about certain things via email, feel free to let us know. 

Timing was purely coincidental - I had noticed the blue and had a bit of time to write out a post about the fact that for me, the blue makes me think that the text contains a link, rather than just being about emphasis. I thought maybe others might have the same automatic association. 

My post was merely a suggestion, not an instruction or anything. I was just letting you know what was going on in my brain when I read blue text like that. The ensuing colour examples and discussion was a mildly humorous attempt on my part to see if there was an alternative. 

I hope I haven't caused undue concern! Please let me know if there's any further clarity I can provide 😊

@Flutterbug9 

Phrases like "Functional Deficits" generally get thrown around in the same conversations as professionals trying to coerce me onto the NDIS

Possibly owing to comorbid conditions (Dx: Schizophrenia, Seasonal Affective Disorder, CPTSD and Ddx: ASD, OCD and OSDD/DID) I don't have a great understanding of why, or why the things professionals speak about are so important to them

when the mind speaks faster than the mouth does

something quite common for me.  Nothing unusual for me to be saying words part way through something, an item my brain has finished minutes ago.  Quite often find myself talking about something, be part way through and have no idea what I was going to say next.  Is like my brain has just become a clean whiteboard.  No idea what I was going to say and, at times, no idea what I had starting talking about.

its frustrating, annoying and mentally draining

@Blackcloud  preaching to the choir of Executive Dysfunction.  My lived experience is that it’s crippling.

Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences @Glisten @Flutterbug9 @Dogman. I can see we all relate in some way or another. 

It's not always straightforward for to make sense of the a neurotypical world.

Communication challenges

https://youtu.be/JX1x9ujIOqg?si=r8OH7B-9rMGFTX5g 

https://youtu.be/yln0xbobdL8?si=tggnZNStf3PGc23D 

processes things and my mind trying to work out how and what to say next, is something I deal with in huge amount of situations.  This is common for people with Autism.  
We stop part way through things (for me that is both when I’m talking plus when I’m typing), we need a short pause from communicating whilst our brain processes things.

have autism, feel like you mind is racing, unable to stay on one theme whilst talking?   Thats not uncommon.

I feel and know it happens to me.  I usually stop and say out loud “slow down brain”.  
recent chat with my psychologist went from talking about

- lego to model trains (including where my interest started)

- model trains to theme c

- theme c to theme d

- theme d to theme e

- theme e to my enjoyment of being in nature

- being in nature to plant in psychologist room

(all within approx 40mins)

Stimming and repeated movements 

from as early as mid primary school (approx 8 or 9yo) Ive not been able sit and watch TV/DVD without doing something with my hands.  Similar when used to go on long car rides with my parents.   Have found this information interesting to read plus provides answers 

@MissGremlin @tyme @Glisten @DogMan79 @Blackcloud @Cuddlebear @Chasingsunsets @Bunniekins 

4 things that can seem minor to neurotypical people but can ruin the day for ADHD people

ADHD and “The Snail Method”

There’s reasons why snails are never late

- they carry everything with them they need

- they are always ready to leave

- they never stand at the door wondering where their keys are

The snail method is, the night before

- pack everything

- layout the outfit

- put the keys in the bag

- prepare the coffee

- move everything that needs to leave with you at the door

This way

- morning self doesn’t need to decide anything

- morning self doesn’t need to find anything

- morning self just picks up the shell and goes

here’s why this matters specifically for ADHD brains

- morning is the worse time for executive function

- the prefrontal cortex hasn’t fully activated yet

- cortisol is still building

every small decision

- what to wear

- where are the keys

- did I pack that thing

costs the same neurologically as a big decision

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@Flutterbug9  I’m going to be a snail 🐌 

Same here @Glisten 

Autism and sleep disorders

https://www.autismawareness.com.au/navigating-autism/sleep-issues-in-autistic-adults 

lot of adults with Autism find it takes them quite awhile after going to bed before they fall asleep.  Interesting reading the reason

The last few of these resonate with me

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@Flutterbug9 wrote:

Autism and sleep disorders

 

https://www.autismawareness.com.au/navigating-autism/sleep-issues-in-autistic-adults 

 

 

lot of adults with Autism find it takes them quite awhile after going to bed before they fall asleep.  Interesting reading the reason

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My smartwatch reports that I only get around 5 to 8 percent REM sleep (It should be 25%) and around the same for Deep Sleep

Looks like ADHD might qualify kidlets for Thriving Kids, depending on impact

So I guess Foundational Supports for adults might take adults with ADHD?

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@DogMan79  I don’t have a clue about what those things are. 
You get 4/5s of 0 in WA.

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Yeah sorry @DogMan79 I also have no clue what those are 😅 Guess you can ask and let us know? 

here’s one to add to your awesome thread @Flutterbug9 ☀️ (they forgot to add the locking yourself out as a chunk in the pie) 😂

@Glisten @Jynx 

160,000 to 300,000 people are being booted off the NDIS

They'll go onto Thriving Kids (Up to age nine) and Foundational Supports (Above nine) run by the state governments

The two programs run by the states are set to accept more diagnoses than NDIS, including ADHD

So ADHD's will have some support, like "NDIS-Lite"

Oh thanks for the update/info @DogMan79 I should read up on this!! 

@DogMan79 I’ve never heard of Thriving Kids or Foundational Supports.

Why does Thriving Kids have an age limit of nine?

Is a government based program @Glisten, age range etc would be set by Health Department

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/thriving-kids-fact-sheet?language=en 

you might find this interesting reading

@Jynx 

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@Glisten wrote:

@DogMan79 I’ve never heard of Thriving Kids or Foundational Supports.

Why does Thriving Kids have an age limit of nine?

 

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I *think* that 9 is just old enough to be fairly certain about issues. Lots of kidlets got signed up to NDIS very young. When assessments are based a lot around table manners and disturbing creche nap times etc

There was a thread here on SANE soliciting public feedback for establishing Thriving Kids. It got very little response, since people said "I'm not under 9 years old" and then later it was expanded to Foundational Supports, including adults being booted off the NDIS https://saneforums.org/t5/Advocating-for-change/Inquiry-into-the-Thriving-Kids-initiative-and-NDIS-Changes/td-p/1731354

Thank you @Flutterbug9 I appreciate that information 

@DogMan79  you’re really good at this stuff.